Comments on The Good Reporters: Evolution Isn't Even Logical

:) hey an example you can use is this one: if you...

2009-06-08T18:14:06.235-05:00

:) hey an example you can use is this one:

if you found a watch in the desert you would not just say "oh numbers must have come together to make this object" now would you, cause that seems pointless and very unscientific. if this statement seems pointless and unscientific then how come evolution/big bang theory isn't? there must have been an itelligent designer of the watch who made it for a purpose, same here the earth didnt just "come together" there must have been an intelligent designer who made it for a purpose!

I'm a Christian whos fired up for Christ!

Who made god? Because if he wasn't made he couldn'...

2009-06-03T14:40:44.772-05:00

Who made god? Because if he wasn't made he couldn't exist right? And why does it have to be God that made our world? Maybe it was some other God. Think of it, if the possibility of God existing is true there's as much chance other Gods exist as well. I find it hard to believe matter was created out of nothing so that's still a puzzle for me, but why God?
That matter exists is weird alright, but...why...God?
Not believing in Evolution doesn't exactly mean God exists. If you don't believe Evolution, then why should you believe the bible?

Do you know the chance of winning the lottery? It's actually very, very small. But winners are chosen right? A MIRACLE.

The comparison of a car factory exploding and the creation of a car is lame because this only happened once and only in this time. If that car factory exploded million times and over millions of years, then how much has the probability increased? A lot indeed. Do you know of those identical twins where the one girl is black and the other white? The odds are a million to one, look it up if you'd like (not that hard with google). There's numerous examples of things happening that actually have very low odds. Against all odds, weird things actually DO happen.
These things happen because there are odds. How much chance is there of something being created out of thin air like God did? I'd say there's less chance because after all, all the things that did occur at least had the resources for it.

What would you describe handicap people are? They're mutations of nature, things happening against all odds. Just look at all those deformed Embryo's, how come they CAN exist? If DNA strands were copied exactly without errors and such mutations would never happen but as you see... Maybe God made stuff who knows, but as you can see... our procreation isn't waterproof at all, our children are actually different from us and all have their minor flaws on a microscale. After a million of years when all these flaws are pasted on to the next generation (genetics, I hope you do know that), doesn't evolution sound way more plausible? Btw, there wasn't a thing that pushed Evolution in the right direction, freaks of nature (like there are born now) happened but went extinct offcourse. It's all just huge luck, we just won the lottery that's been on for ages.

Wow! You did a great job on explanaing this.God bl...

2009-03-24T11:13:00.000-05:00

Wow! You did a great job on explanaing this.
God bless

Great post! Evolution is not scientific, it's more...

2008-09-20T12:57:00.000-05:00

Great post! Evolution is not scientific, it's more like storytelling.

I read in a blog once that an evolutionist was puzzled as he couldn't understand why a Leopard would attack and then kill a Crocodile. He said, "that was not logical given the high risk."

Evolution has taken on the "logical" label because things looked more designed as they learn more about nature. They are basically in denial that a design can only be created by intelligence, and logic also comes from intelligence.

Nature has God written all over it...

Thank you for this i needed some proof to talk to ...

2008-06-05T08:51:00.000-05:00

Thank you for this i needed some proof to talk to the kids at school:)

What makes it even better is christians dont reali...

2008-02-28T00:52:00.000-05:00

What makes it even better is christians dont realize this is a satire.

"Dear Joshua and Caleb,I want to thank you for you...

2008-02-28T00:50:00.000-05:00

"Dear Joshua and Caleb,

I want to thank you for your excellent post on evolution. I once considered myself to be an athiest, largely because I was deceived by the dirty ol' devil's story of evolution. I was taught evolution as a young man by crafty scientists and "teachers" and became blinded by Satan's lies. I believed that my ancestors were monkeys. It hardened my heart and I was unable to feel Jesus' love for me and kept me from truly seeing that it was the almighty Lord who created all things in heaven and on earth.

After years of wandering in the valley of sin and despair, kind and loving Christians, like yourselves, helped me to see the truth. They showed me that it's impossible for a watch just to come into existence. And if it's impossible for a relatively simple thing as a watch, then it must be impossible for something as complex as life. Life just can't self assemble over billions of years. My ancestors aren't monkeys at all. We were all created by the almighty Lard. I couldn't believe that I had been so deceived by science. It truly is a tool of Satan. I hope someday we can outlaw the teaching of evolution in our public schools. It's a shame that our public schools are tools for the dirty ol' devil to distribute his filthy lies.

May God bless you two wonderful boys.

Your friend in Christ" You were never a atheist, agnostic, or skeptic. You have, and always have been, a sheep. I find it funny when fundamentalists try to use this to coerce people, pretending that they too were once free-thinkers. I guarantee this guy never was, it's so obvious its rather funny. Yes, evolution is the tool of the satan, so is rational thinking, secularism, requiring factual evidence, and common sense. Dont let your mind be corrupted!1!11!!11!!

I don't think evolution makes any sense either. If...

2007-12-28T15:36:00.000-05:00

I don't think evolution makes any sense either. If it were true everyone would be beautiful and straight because of NATURAL selection. If anyone really thinks evolution over, they should realize that it doesn't make any sense. Also I've read revelation and I realize that a lot of the things it said were going to happen are happening now such as the Pope declaring that every religion besides their own is a cult.

For starters..Mr Abacus..please try this..P=2(1+G/...

2007-02-19T05:15:00.000-05:00

For starters..Mr Abacus..please try this..

P=2(1+G/100)Y\

P=population
Y=years
G=% growth rate

Based on evolution standard of uniformitarianism what is G?

Todays rate is 2% which is also the peek rate
http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/world.html

After you do the math you will soon see the problem. Is evolution uniformitarianism right? Lets change the numbers that we know are right, in order that evolution will look better. If you reduce the growth rate to only 1/2% which would destory uniformitarianism, and go back to only 1,000,000 years, a rather small number going by evolution standards, you would have a population of over 10\2155 which is a higher number then all the electrons in the entire universe at 10\80.

Therefore I would also say..."Where are all the people"?

If we keep the number at the higher rate and move the years back to where you would like to see it, in order for evolution to have a chance to work, this will overload your abacus and you will also need 3-4 extra earths to hold the people.

I for one would be more then happy to take up fait...

2007-02-18T21:58:00.000-05:00

I for one would be more then happy to take up faith of evolution as it looks along side the model creationism. As has been stated above, both are faith based systems. Yet one shines beyond the other when you look at all the facts.

Can I prove God? No. But I can give a scientific model based on Bible truths that will demolish the out dated model of evolution. If any would take the time to keep up with devoplments in the scientific world, one would know that evolution is falling apart as we speak. Links have been give already by others to start you on your education process and more can be given. I have no idea who the writer was of the work "The Good Reporters" posted that got a few people angry, other than the name given, but it is clear the writer is more to date then some of "no namers" reading out dated text books claiming to know it all. At the rate things are changing, and if our God does not return, within 20 years, evolution systems will be looked at as the biggest joke that has ever been pulled over in the West.

If evolution systems is all that the "no namers" know of, it is clear that they do not have a "better" education. Most home-schools and Christians schools will look at both models, for they have nothing to fear. This is not to be done in goverment controled schools. Why? The truth will always come to the top. Maybe if the "no namers" had been in a home-school they would know of the joke that evolution has become in the last 30 years

This would not be the place to take up such a task, but there are ways to do this, if one wishes to do so. I will check back to see if any are up to the task.

Stick to the truth "Good Reporters"...no matter what the world may say.

In Christ...Jimmy/James

Great post! Coming from a public school background...

2007-02-03T03:20:00.000-05:00

Great post! Coming from a public school background, I was bombarded with the the teaching that evolution was a fact...not a theory. I agree with Kate that it takes more faith to believe in evolution than creation. Evolutions have worked backwards to try to explsin themselves. Keep that light shining! God Bless!

This makes me thank God that I do have a sheltered...

2007-02-01T22:00:00.000-05:00

This makes me thank God that I do have a sheltered life!! Thank God that I was brought up in a good godly home.

Very good post, Joshua!! Keep up the good work!!

One of the funniest satire pieces I have read in a...

2007-01-30T23:36:00.000-05:00

One of the funniest satire pieces I have read in a while.

This makes me so happy that I don't live a shelter...

2007-01-30T23:35:00.000-05:00

This makes me so happy that I don't live a sheltered life.

Great stuff! Very funny! I love the part about blo...

2007-01-30T15:19:00.000-05:00

Great stuff! Very funny! I love the part about blowing up a watch factory. Ha!

You really have those religious nuts pegged. They would totally believe this kind of lame analogy and poorly conceived leaps of logical fallacy.

"30 minutes..." hehe, classic.

To paraphrase your last line: "It takes a lot less THOUGHT to believe in Creationism than it does in evolution."

Keep up the great work, and I'll keep coming back for more laughs!

God had a purpose for this.... and many which came...

2007-01-30T13:16:00.000-05:00

God had a purpose for this.... and many which came to your site will have an impression embedded in their minds that they will never forget. The seed has been planted....

The only seeds that have been planted is bad, logically flawed arguments into the consciousness of people of faith. Some may have the belief that the arguments presented in this article are silver bullets that can defeat evolutionists-- but as I and so many here have already done, the arguments are demonstratably fallacious.

By insisting that religion follow the same rules as science, religions has nothing to gain. If this is how people of faith want to fight, then this is how evolutionists will respond. We have absolutely no choice but to respond by putting every aspect of your faith under a microscope-- scientific inquiry simply requires it.

And if you're going to complain that science is stifling alternate opinions in how the world was created, then that's fine. Find a science-based alternative to evolution, and we will enthusiastically debate the science of it. Unlike religion, the spirit of science is competing theories, of which there is none to the theory of evolution.

But please, calling evolutionists that have posted here "vicious" for taking your challenge to science to task... that's just not how scientific debate works. Don't play the game if you can't handle losing.

Here's what God tells me is true: The Bible is on...

2007-01-30T10:58:00.000-05:00

Here's what God tells me is true:

The Bible is one of many ancient texts which survive due to the universal need to have simple, understandable answers to the complex questions of existence. Where did we come from? Why are we here? What comes next? What should we do? How should we live?

As a seminal work of the written word, the Old Testament represents an attempt to sum up the philosophy, law, anthropology, sociology, metaphysics, and more of a tradition that began with a group of largely illiterate Middle Eastern pastoralists and Evolved into a Different Thing as it was adopted and modified by pagan tribes of Europe.

Today's reader can plainly see that the Bible contains, among other things, transcendent wisdom, history, common sense, wishful thinking, and more than a little obsolete and dangerous superstition. It compares favorably with the Analects, Tao te Ching, Bhagavad Gita, and Classical philosophy, but ultimately it's no no more powerful or enlightening than any great classic work produced by human beings. If the Bible is God's word, than so is this.

Evolution is not a theory or a faith-based superstition - it is simply a set of methodically recorded, painstakingly correlated observations. It may not be the whole truth, as the questions of ontology and metaphysics are not necessarily knowable through simple reason (doesn't mean the Bible is better), but it is an accurate description of how characteristics are passed on through heredity and how they change over time under environmental pressure.

Here's the thing. Those who seek to dilute the teaching of science with religion should first give up the fruits of that teaching. With enough faith in God, religious people should have no need for sinful technologies - antibiotics, gene therapy, insulin, microwave ovens, etc. Is it not an affront to God to forsake His Love for the fruits of Godless science?

Sooner or later, if religious zealots force their hand, I fear that scientists will create nano-neurological bug fixes to eliminate it from the human psyche.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the Scientific Crusades will be any better than the Christian ones, but for their sake I hope JHVH takes an interest in peptide-mosaic-specific shifting-antigen-neuro-ablative-vectors, cos I didn't see that in Leviticus.

-i

The problem with your logic argument is this: log...

2007-01-30T10:42:00.000-05:00

The problem with your logic argument is this: logic to you is something that is obvious to understand. If it is not obvious, it is not logical. By that definition, your computer does not exist either (unless it was instantaneously created by God). The nuances of how a microchip works are not inherently logical in a simplistic understanding of the word. Yet, here is your computer. Thank God scientists probed the world around them with theories and experients to the extent that they gained the understanding required to create such a device.

I personally see no inherent conflict between evolution and creationism. Remember that a day to God is an eon to you and me. If you allow that God can work on his own time schedule (and not yours), it is not even inconsistent with the Bible to think that God created evolution as his tool for putting life into the universe.

Your arguments are akin to a toddler's explanation as to why the next tissue pops up from the box. Since he cannot understand the mechanism, it must be God's work. Since you refuse to try to understand how evolution can work in creating life, you simply chalk it up to God in your narrow understanding of him- that he said Abracadabra and everything came to be.

Personally, I think the the concept of a God that can create a universe using a big bang and populate it using evolution is a far more impressive God than one that just poofs things into existence.

I would urge you to read Finding Darwin's God by Kenneth R. Miller (who is both Christian and a scientist). While the first part of his book constitutes rather clumsy assaults on both creationism and science, the unified argument he puts forth that God used science to create is compelling.

Please stop posting tripe like this, though. You make Christianity and Christians look ignorant.

let's see: first of all, your big bang metaphor is...

2007-01-30T10:34:00.000-05:00

let's see:
first of all, your big bang metaphor is wrong. because big bang is not a explosion as we see in day to day life. explosion you descriped is simple classic physics system. big bang is a big quantum system as far as we know. there's some weird theories about more eairler stages of big bang.
secondly evolution does not say big bang was not the cause of evolution. big bang just explanes how universe came to this stage. evolution says that somehow a single cell happened then other livings envolved from this stage. so far fossils make sence in this theory.

if you start to talk about probability you have to take account of how much universe is big. it's very big and big numbers make highly imposible highy posible.

and don't forget to take account of fossilization change, too.

note: putting a sound into your blog was a bad desing idea. it's annoying. im was enjoying Echoes then some sound started to mix with Echoes both aren't understandable at all.

Either you geninuely don't understand evolutionary...

2007-01-30T08:53:00.000-05:00

Either you geninuely don't understand evolutionary science, or you're being deliberately disingenuous. I'm just not sure which.

Modern History Sourcebook: Thomas Malthus: Essay o...

2007-01-30T08:37:00.000-05:00

Modern History Sourcebook:
Thomas Malthus:
Essay on Population, 1798:

Population, when unchecked, increases in a geometrical ratio...

In this famous work, Malthus posited his hypothesis that (unchecked) population growth always exceeds the growth of means of subsistence. Actual (checked) population growth is kept in line with food supply growth by "positive checks" (starvation, disease and the like, elevating the death rate) and "preventive checks" (i.e. postponement of marriage, etc. that keep down the birthrate), both of which are characterized by "misery and vice". Malthus's hypothesis implied that actual population always has a tendency to push above the food supply.

Note the word "unchecked". Note the word "checked".

Now note the scientific "proof" used to qualify the author of this blog's conclusion:

the time for the population to double itself is called T

During the time of Christ there were 300 million on earth

In 1650 there were 600 million people Therefore T=~1600 years

In 1850 there 1.2 billion I mean 200

In 1950 there were 2.4 billion No, make that 100 years

In 1990 there were about 4.8 billion Bugger! I meant 40! Please, believe me, I know what I'm doing! I've got an abacus!

How fantastic is that? T could be anything! Therefore, "the time for the population to double itself is..." variable. I therefore conclude, scientifically, that the author's point number 2 is complete bollocks.

Now, most people read through and blindly accept all that is written as fact. Others are so blind to obvious facts they see only what they want to, what they believe. This must surely hold true for many, if not most, of the readers who have taken time to post comments.

I would guess, though, that most readers read, had a laugh, and moved on, seeing as this article has been mentioned as good laughing-stock by a few other sites.

Anyhoo, the point I'm trying to make is this, Mr. Author. You can rant about whatever it is you want to believe, but you disqualify yourself by making preposterous claims supposedly based on science and instead based on fanaticism.

Shame on. You may have fooled at least half a dozen people. You should beg forgiveness.

Amen Brother Jim.

2007-01-30T06:48:00.000-05:00

Amen Brother Jim.

I believe in evolution and not in a higher deity; ...

2007-01-30T05:36:00.000-05:00

I believe in evolution and not in a higher deity; but I respect your right to believe what you want to believe.

However, I have issue with this statement:

"So now the chances are 10 to the 29,345 power! It couldn't happen. A single living cell could not come about by chance!"

In the first instance you acknowledge that the chance is non-zero and then say that because it is so small that it cannot happen. This is a fallacy. The odds of picking the winning numbers of a lottery are small, but people win the lottery despite these odds out of the sheer number of repetitions.

So, while the probability that the minimum number of molecules to form an amino acid is very small, this says nothing about how many big bangs we have ever had? Perhaps we're iteration 10^100 and this is the *first time life has been created? As soon as you demonstrate that there is the possibility, however small, of an event occuring then the event will SURELY occur given an infinite number of trials.

So, in order to defend your position you have to either say

1) an event has ZERO probability of occuring, or
2) there is a finite number of trials

you have conceeded 1) is not true but have not demonstrated that 2) is not true.

Is this a joke? I certainly hope so. It is ridicul...

2007-01-30T05:33:00.000-05:00

Is this a joke? I certainly hope so. It is ridiculous to assume that anyone would believe this pile of rubbish. I am tremendously befuddled by this. This was either the work of a mastermind or the complete opposite.

There are just about no correct statements in this entire "article." The proportions are all tremendously skewed and not all factors are taken into account. The probabilities may seem slim, but one forgets how big the universe truly is. Also, the time line left me very confused.

This is like throwing rubber, metal and water together and calling it wood. Please forgive the haphazard way this message was thrown together, but my brain hurts after reading this drek.

As a scholar of the sciences I find this article a terrible piece of work. It is ironic that the author speaks of logic in such a way then turns around and throws it to the wind. Was the source of his information wikipedia? I am insulted by this. There are many great arguments for Christianity out there, but this is not one of them.

OK, here's a question for all the "evolution is no...

2007-01-30T03:51:00.000-05:00

OK, here's a question for all the "evolution is not true" people.

When you go to the doctor and she says "you need anti-biotics - but be sure to take the full course" do you know why that is and why you aren't given penicillin any more?

Because the bacteria have evolved...yes...evolved and become resistant to many anti-biotics.

You just watch avian flu. Right now people can only catch it from birds...but pretty soon it is also going to evolve (there's that word again" and it will spread from human to human.

I note that these comments are moderated, likely you won't even allow this one through because the logic is irrefutable.